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Correction: I meant gt 221 kamvas, the last year's model  >_<


Hey everyone,

I hope you're all well. I've been considering buying a larger tablet for a while now, and I was on the fence between Huion gt kamvas 221 pro and one of the larger cintiqs, or pro 16.
I currently use cintiq 13 and it's been pretty great for the past 3 years, the only faff really being driver turning itself off sometimes, and me needing to reboot or log off and log back in. I've looked at a lot of reviews so far, I looked at amazon reviews as well and so far cintiq 16 pro looks like a sore loser sadly. There seem to be way too many problems to toss such amount of cash on this 'professional' tool.

So my question is: has anyone switched to huion from cintiq? My main concern was the res, but seeing as even cintiq 27 is 1080p, my 23inch monitor is perfectly crisp at 1080p, i feel like huion 221 would be the winner here.

Thoughts?
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:iconmagicmooseofdoom:
MagicMooseofDoom Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I just bought a Huion (not the model you're looking at) and my biggest issue with it is that Huion drivers battle with any other tablet drivers on your computer. My Cintiq 13HD has served me well thus far and I'm pretty happy with it as a non-portable tablet.

If you're looking at display tablets, I'd recommend taking a look at the Dell Canvas. It looks like a really nice display tablet to invest in if your budget's a bit bigger.

Hope this helps, good luck!
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:iconsythgara:
Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah I heard about the drivers not agreeing. isn't the main fix to just uninstall wacom driver?
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:iconmagicmooseofdoom:
MagicMooseofDoom Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, so I've read. I planned on using my cintiq at home and carrying my little Huion around campus, so uninstalling the wacom driver would have been a problem. I can't fault Huion too much, all drawing tablet software is moody in some way or another.

I actually just returned my Huion because the stylus button kept falling off, it was either poorly attached or poorly designed. :(
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Ryukurei Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a Huion tablet now and I love it. My friend also has GT and we are both happy with our products. She works in animation so she is used to Cintiq but still really like the Huion. So far my friend and I do not have problems with the drivers. It does the same job as a Wacom but it's far less expensive. In my case, I prefer the surface texture of the Huion and it works with all my softwares. I honestly do not plan to buy Wacom again for a while. Also, I feel less worried to know that my tablet is less expensive because if it breaks, I won't waste 2000$ xD.
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks, that's good to know
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TwistedZepher Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Student Digital Artist
I personally have not used Huion, but a friend of mine uses one of their regular graphics tablets and it works fine for him. I've been looking into downsizing from my Cintiq 21 UX because I need something a bit more portable that doesn't have a giant cord and multiple plugs. So far, i've been following this guys reviews of tablets, he's non bias and for the most part showcases the pros and cons to every tablet he reviews.
www.youtube.com/user/thebradco…
bradcolbow.com/reviews/wacom-c…

Good luck with your search, and with whatever you decide to use I hope it works out for you <3
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Fyrrea Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I bought a Cintiq13HD a year ago and it works awesomely, but now I wish I'd bought an alternative one, for the same price, but bigger. 
Huion is not the only one. There's Ugee, there's XP-Pen, there's Yinova... All of these have some pros and cons compared to cintiqs (the best pro is of course the price :D), 13 inches seem too small for me, I have to wear my glasses to paint precisely -_- Watch some Youtube reviews, there are many youtubers testing those tablets :) 
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CamariCreations Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018  Student Digital Artist
i've heard mixed reviews on the huion but haven't actually had one myself! i think one of the biggest complaints was the distance between nib and screen, as if the screen is too thick. it throws a lot of people off. 

i do have a cintiq 13hd that i invested in, and it totally improved my art flow and how much time i spend on art. it was stupidly expensive but at this point, it's paid for itself. it's definitely my most prized possession haha 
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
I need to double check the new model in regards to pen distance.I thought it might have been improved since the older model that had the 'mandatory' matte cover
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TheDeceptikitty Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018
I use Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 and what I can say from my experience is:

+ 4k display...even if the display is smaller, the program interface is tiny (tho not so that you can't click anything) and is not in the way - you get a huge working area.
+ Pre-calibrated to display correct colors and has more crisp colors due to pixel density (this is where the resolution plays it's part)
+ Has massive amounts of pressure sensitivity and supports tilt (Huion does not)
+ The screen is an extra thin glass surface and doesn't scratch at all. It has almost zero parallax (only in this PRO version...the old HD ones have it).
+ Fully metal body - very sturdy and heavy so you won't move it around. It looks and feels like a premium product.
+ The new pen is amazing...
+ Amazing driver support - came with some jittery line bug but that has been resolved by the time I bought it (1st-2nd driver updates)
+ This is personal experience...but I have this tablet as a replacement for my old Intuos 4, which didn't even need exchanging...I had that intuos since 2010 or so and only upgraded because a childhood dream of owning a display tablet because I found digital art hard without one.

- The cost...no arguing there and you also pay for the brand
- Forget about 4k if you don't have a USB-C...without it it runs at 1440p which is still better than competition but sux you pay for 4k and don't get it
- There was a fix if you bought a DisplayPort cable that supports 4k (additional costs) but for me the tablet kept resseting back to 1440p after few minutes and derped up my workplace so I just gave up
- Sometimes the tablet registers wrong and acts like a twat - you can fast test it by trying to turn Touch button on/off - if it doesn't react you have to restart PC otherwise it feels like you are drawing with both hands broken.
- The whole package you get is rather...poor - pen, stand with nibs, tablet, bunch of cables....it NEITHER includes a stand to position it upright (only little pop-out sturdy, but short legs....stands at about...30-40 degrees?) nor a glove for drawing so you don't get stuck on the glass...it only supports a special Wacom stand made for this series specifically and Apple wishes it could charge this much for essentials. I bought a Huion glove but legit think this should of been included...you can't draw without one.
- No buttons on the tablet...you either position your keyboard well or have to buy the wireless keypad from Wacom...just additional costs all around. However, the wireless keypad instantly works with the tablet and doesn't need any setups unless changing button commands
- Personally feel that the touch sucks ass...I have 3 monitors and sometimes it jumps between them and have to re-arrange my workplace on main monitor due to this (minimizes or puts different window on top etc.). I always turn this off and made my express keys into workplace controller. But seen people who used this to full extent so maybe I am just daft >.>
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Heh here I was thinking you will sway me back toward cintiq. Thanks for all the info
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:iconthedeceptikitty:
TheDeceptikitty Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018
Well I tried to be objective...I do not regret my purchase, mind, it works like a charm and it is everything I expected it to be, but the price is too high considering competition sells you the full kit for less money. Should I make the decision again, I might pick differently.

I mean Wacom has become industry standard because of the quality of their products (materials, driver support and how long it lasts...this is my 3rd wacom and previous two still work - gifted one and keep the intuos 4 as a replacement should this one break somehow). Yinova, Huion and whatnot are just not there yet - they were made for chinese market which could not afford buying Wacom (and no wonder there..really..who is? #buyers-remorse)...they are getting better and take mile leaps, but from feedback I get from people using Huion it is a hit or miss and can sting hard (slow driver updates, sometimes driver just breaks and needs reinstall or incompatible with certain PC configurations - these were the complaints I saw when I was doing my research). I had a friend who went Huion and it just didn't work on her PC (would make random lines even if the pen wasn't touching the tablet if I remember correctly) and when she searched further she found out a lot of other people have the issue but Huion can't fix it so she had to go back to a Bamboo. But her issue happened about 2 years ago.

All in all I think the decision falls to whether you want to own a Ferrari of tablets or a sturdy workhorse of a...idk Ford. If you take care of them well, either will last and do its intended job, but sometimes the cheaper one may be from unlucky shift. From my research into it when looking at this very question (Huion vs Wacom) the summary was: if you want to take digi art seriously and sit at PC drawing 24/7 professionaly (as a full-time job) you should go for Wacom. If you are hobby or semi-professional artist, Huion will do the job.

TL;DR: Industry pros would always say Wacom for their job, but also that Huion is not a bad brand, much welcome serious competition and you can't really go wrong with it either. It all falls down to your budget. Will you use the gimicks Wacom has over Huion (tilt, resolution, pressure sensitivity, lightweight no battery pen etc)? Are they worth the cost difference?

If I may also say - this year might be interesting for tablets...Huion releases new models almost nonstop, Wacom releases more of the PRO ones (22" and 32" I believe) and Dell also entered the fray with a very unique tablet of their own (if you have 2k for a 27"...Dell Canvas). If you are not rushing with your purchase it might be interesting to see how it goes in the upcoming months. Either way, I think Wacom will have to make some decisions with these many competitors - you won't manage with reputation alone. A minor victory for the artist!

P.S.: Sorry for the wall of text. I apologise by adding this additional text.
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Heh not a problem it's good info. And I did notice they release new tablets quite a lot. As they're my work tools the price itself isn't THAT big of a deal as I will be deducting it. I just wanna pinpoint which one is the best investment at this time. Or give it couple more months and see if anything else appears. Cos like you said for the cost wacom falls a little short by cutting out buttons, stand costing extra, no glove, etc,  I don't really have use for tilt feature. Losing the pen eraser is a small price to pay i suppose. So i think it comes down to res, colors and reliability. The new huion matches pen pressure of new wacom, and i'm crazy eager to try it. It's a tough choice honestly :P
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TheDeceptikitty Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018
Well...you already listed you don't use half the features :D And resolution...getting a bigger tablet > higher resolution...if your 1080p is a 22" or more it will be better workplace than 4k 16" (imagine your 1080p icons/buttons 4 times smaller...)

I would only consider the slower driver updates on Huion (which COULD cause problems, but afaik the model you posted is "older" so should of been patched out) and parallax (the PRO Wacom has VERY thin glass...every other tablet, even older Wacoms have a noticeable one). 

Colours you can always calibrate and the tools for it cost less than the wireless keypad for Wacom lol....and you can re-use for monitor etc...so there is that. 

Either way GL with your decision :meow: 
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:iconsythgara:
Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Hey I need to correct myself, I meant the huion 221 kamvas. August model
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:iconthedeceptikitty:
TheDeceptikitty Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018
I see that one is 21.5" so it will give you a much better workspace than a 16" even with the 4k/1440p but it will most likely have parallax.

Let me give you a vid on the 16 PRO:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcUBCQ… (the jittery line bug has been fixed and you can see how small parallax it has)

And one on the Huion:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS9rxM… (I like this guys reviews cuz he is pretty honest with it)

Seems both are very solid D: 
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Ah yeah I saw the cintiq review. The other one is new one to me. I'm 90percent sure I'll get huion in the end unless new cintiq comes along hehe. Or if I get USB c. I will be upgrading pc to some degree so I'll have a ponder.
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
I suppose. If half a year is old hehe. But thanks for your input too :)
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Adleisio Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Here is a third option X-PEN, I have seen fewer complaints from X-Pen than Huion, I have had a few digital artists in my circle try Huions and most hated it and moved on to a Cintiq, but of the people who have used X-Pen in my circle, they really like them.
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nekonotaishou Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Professional Filmographer
I have a cintiq 22HD and I love it. I tried a yiynova before this one and was severely disappointed with its drivers.
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Zalcoti Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018   Digital Artist
If your monitor is decent and is calibrated, I don't see why not. A few webcomic artists I follow use a Huion and haven't had major issues with it. One streams with it. Not sure how well it's made or how long it'll last and future compatibility issues though. Off brands are a gamble in that area. Just too bad you couldn't test one out to compare between the two.
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Temorah Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've heard good things about Huion, there are a lot of reviews on youtube for it with some good information. I personally went down a different road and got myself a 2-in-1 laptop with a wacom digitizer in it so that I could write away from my desk (finally) and so that I could draw on a screen for the first time ever, has been good so far and a whole lot cheaper than getting a Wacom cintiq of any size (even 13) but that is mainly because everything Wacom is super expensive in AU. 

I think the only thing to look out for is what kind of panel (screen) the Huion is using and making sure the colour will be correct and not distorted.
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Earah Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018
Well I never used huion but I changed from wacom to another brands because the wacom tablets are too expensive in my country and for some reason they are stop working freaking a lot since the first month of use.. I gave up from wacom completly. 
Go on and give a try to huion, a lot of people say good things about it and honestly for the price is away better than wacom that comes with a lot of problems with it..
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks. And sorry you had these problems D:
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Frilled-Aten Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a Bamboo Fun that I got in 2011 and am also looking for an upgrade haha.
I read that the Huion brand is really good and cheaper! I plan on getting this one: www.amazon.com/dp/B01CYCOYSU/_…

Then I will be saving up for their screen one ^^
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Hope it works well for you. Seems lot of them get good reviews :)  cintiq 16 pro has 2 stars ^^'
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Frilled-Aten Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I read a few articles and the artists on there loved it as well. So I'm excited to try it ^^

Good luck with your quest! <3
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IxDragonHeartxI Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Im currently using the Wacom mobile studio 16 pro cause i wanted a "small" one ... and cause i can use it whereever i want .. so .. im not really a help ^^" Sorry, and im not a pro myself so gomenasai!!
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Edited Jan 18, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
heh that's alright. Do you use the usbc for it? or did you have to work around?

EDIT: I missed it's the mobile one
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IxDragonHeartxI Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i have it almost till the release... and in the beginning.. i was a bit frustrated ... cause the had almost no accessories for it... like if you want to work at home (a stand) or anything else ... now there is alot stuff... but yeah its the mobile one :3 and its still amazing to work with 
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Cryptid-Horror Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Professional General Artist
I have the 22HD cintiq and I have 0 complaints about it, it's a very good cintiq. 

I don't have any huion experience first hand, tho. I hear good things about huion, but I'm always wary of the off-brand as my last screen tablet was not cintiq [or huion] but had multiple issues. So while cheaper looks nicer to begin with, sometimes it is cheaper cuz cheaper parts.
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah I can understand about off brands. It just seems huion might be the contender we were waiting for to destroy wacom's grip on the monopoly :P
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Cryptid-Horror Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Professional General Artist
I totally agree ;0; Wacom needs some competition, cuz the cintiq I bought, was used and still cost me over $1K :l 
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Sythgara Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
You'd figure they'd drop in price by a lot by now.
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firstfallenangelever Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
huion cheaper... ordering mine soon
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